Low Progesterone

Low or no sex drive?
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Low Progesterone

Postby DJEros » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:02 pm

Any women in here struggle with this and its connection to low sex drive? We believe my wife is and its been hard. Anyone overcame it with meds or natural alternatives?

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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby DJEros » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:30 am

I guess this is more rare than I thought! Was really hoping for some responses and guidance. :(

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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby Txtwinmom » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:11 am

I think, in general, you will find that women have a hard time getting physicians to take women's sexual health care issues seriously. Last time I was in seeing my OB/Gyn we talked about changing some of my medications. I stated that I would really like to get my hormones checked before we made any changes because for the first time my libido was outstanding! I wanted to see what my optimal hormone levels were. Her reply was that checking my hormones would not do any good, it would just show what meds I was on and besides "Libido is all in your head anyway!" :shock:
After having physicians essentially pat us women on the head and tell us its just all in our heads one of two things happen, either we start to believe them or we become so "gun shy" that we just stop asking for help.
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby DJEros » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:42 pm

Sorry to hear that! But I can see that happening regularly. Good'ol medical industry. I'm amazed at the importance and genius behind God's design of hormones, I mean wow! They do so much and are so crucial to physical AND mental health.

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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby ledgemoor » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:24 pm

The main hormone for sex drive is testosterone. The second is estrogen. It is possible but unlikely that taking just progesterone will improve your libido.

Go see a doctor specializing on Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy. They will test you, determine if your hormones are off, and fix you right up. DW and I both see one. I am on testosterone (had ED, but am fine now), and DW on estrogens, progesterone, and testosterone (she lost her ovaries). Without it I doubt we would have a sex life at all.

Her reply was that checking my hormones would not do any good, it would just show what meds I was on and besides "Libido is all in your head anyway!" :shock:

That's the craziest thing I ever heard. It's like telling a guy with ED and low testosterone "it's all in his head".
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby SquarePants » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:39 am

My wife has an appointment with my doctor to discuss bioidentical hormone treatment. I suspect that her progesterone is low, given that she has symptoms that are consistent with estrogen dominance. She's also had had two children, and the symptoms are more than just being tired. I don't have anything concrete to report to you, but I hope that I have positive information coming soon. From what I've read, it seems that estrogen dominance as well as estrogen deficiency may affect sex drive. Even if libido isn't affected by progesterone therapy, improving the other symptoms would be a good their for her mental and physical health, and for the harmony of the family. A bioidentical hormone doctor may prescribe testosterone, so maybe libido will increase as a result of the doctor visit.

Edit: Corrected typos and reworded a sentence to clarify.
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby ledgemoor » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:05 am

Hi Squarepants--

I did some web research on libido and estrogen dominance, and you may indeed be correct.

Search for

libido and estrogen dominance

There are many sites that mention a relationship between low progesterone.

However, some are not all that reputable.
http://progesterone.com/libido/, which exists to sell progesterone, says the estrogen dominance will kill libido. It also says that progesterone is the main hormone for female sex drive, which is just plain untrue. Yes, it can affect it, but testosterone is the main libido hormone.

Anyway, my point here is that progesterone is only one part of the equation. I have never heard of anyone taking progesterone alone and their libido going thru the roof. DW was estrogen dominant, which probably caused her cancer, but her libido was always fine. A doctor put her on progesterone to help screwy periods, and it did improve it a little bit. Anything you do to improve overall health will improve libido.

If the OP wants to buy some progesterone and try it, the risk is minimal. (If you want some, don't order from that site. Just go to GNC and buy some. Make sure that the potency is listed (so many milligrams progesterone per teaspoonful or something like that) so that you know how much you are taking and can switch brands if the one you got first is out of stock.)

However, just go to a bHRT doctor and find out what is going on. This is your marriage we are talking about, and hormones affect so much more than libido. If it turns out your hormones are OK, then you know to look elsewhere. But you want to check the most likely thing first, and hormones are it.

Squarepants, hope your wife's appt is fruitful. Let us know if you are comfortable doing that.
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby belovedalways » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:29 am

If you are going to try a progesterone cream, I'd recommend this product that I've been using for years. It's made a world of difference in how I feel overall and was a big help in getting my hormones back into balance. (I have never had PMS symptoms, but I did have insomnia, severe joint pain-some days it was debilitating, fatigue, anxiety and infrequent panic attacks and a test that showed I was quite deficient in progesterone and several other hormones) I haven't had ANY of these symptoms/problems since I got my hormones back into balance which involved taking this cream, exercising, and reducing my stress level.

http://www.hmherbs.com/hapmsfrsh.html
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby ledgemoor » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:44 am

Glad it's working for you.

I don't see any dosage information on the product you use. You don't know how much actual progesterone you are getting.

This tells you how much progesterone there is in it--500mg per ounce.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/source-n ... 2-oz-cream

This is just an example I found -- chemicals are chemicals, and one brand should work as well as any other. But you really should know how much you are getting. The companies that package this stuff for retail sale all buy the same pure progesterone for about $15 per ounce and mix it with cold cream and in some cases other stuff.

Unless you need only progesterone, a bHRT doctor will prescribe a custom dosage that you take to a compounding pharmacy to get filled. The compounding pharmacist will mix the progesterone, testosterone, and estrogens in cold cream.
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby belovedalways » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:20 pm

The reason I didn't comment on this thread to begin with was because I didn't supplement to increase my libido, which was the original inquiry. I did supplement. It DID radically change my life. But at the time, I couldn't have cared less about my libido. The chronic pain tended to drown out most everything else.

ledgemoor wrote:I don't see any dosage information on the product you use. You don't know how much actual progesterone you are getting.


The product comes with dosage information and side effects are extremely rare with natural progesterone. The pills, not so much.

This book was VERY helpful in helping me get my hormones straightened out. The product I use is the one that the author/doctor recommended:
http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Doctor- ... pd_sim_b_2

Book Description
Publication Date: January 1, 1999
An expert in women's health offers a safe, proven, effective hormone balance program for the more than 50 million women suffering from premenopause syndrome.

About the Author
Dr. John Lee was internationally known as an expert in the study of progesterone and HRT. He received degrees from Harvard and the University of Minnesota and ran a family medical practice for over 30 years

The book AND the product have helped several women that I personally know. I actually heard about the product at our state's home education convention many years ago. I sat in a seminar with a few hundred other women and heard a very good presentation on low progesterone. I was not premenopausal at the time, but did have a lot of other symptoms that were troubling. After reading several books, it became VERY obvious that I had a hormonal imbalance. I did several things, including purchasing this progesterone product which Dr. Lee recommended and it literally changed my life.

A couple of things that Dr. Lee mentions is that progesterone pills rarely help because they are not absorbed properly into the body. He does recommend other natural creams as well, but I had easy access to the one I purchased.

This may be another book that might help someone:
http://www.amazon.com/John-Lees-Hormone ... y_b_text_y

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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby ledgemoor » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:13 pm

The product comes with dosage information...

That's good. A lot of it doesn't. DW got some when the doctor wanted her to increase her progesterone over what was in her compounded cream that she wanted to use up. She just went to the store and got some, but had to return it because it didn't give potency information.

We went to one of John Lee's lectures soon before he died. Sharp fellow. We have read several of his books.

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Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progesterone?

Postby FoxluvsBunny » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:27 am

This is something i've posted about before but wanted to throw it out to smart hormonal gurus here (i know there are some more knowledgeable than I am!). I've researched this a bit since i've found a strange and kinda annoying phenomenon w/ my sex drive (sorry to complain because it's not like i don't ever have one). Around 2 or so days after ovulation, my sex drive goes on hiatus. I have pretty much no drive and can't really even get aroused and penetration hurts- this time is hard on my marriage and it seems the times we aren't that happy fall here, but I try to please DH sexually even though i'm not motivated for myself, and he understands that it's just what happens at that time of the month, and we don't have much sex. Whatever we do is for my husband at that time, but i have trouble getting into it, and sometimes it feels uncomfy so i end up giving him what he needs without penetration (i'm smaller i've been told so it seems that it's painful if i'm not very aroused- if i am we are find). I also feel lower energy and mood during that time. Just blah (maybe it's the lack of sex)... then around 2 days before my period comes it's like "oh sexy is back!!" I actually would say i have a high drive for those 2 weeks (right before period- ovulation)- i crave sex every day (i'd say we try to do it most days at my high drive time cause my DH is high drive too-durng that time esp since he's been trying to quit the porn we are quite well matched for awesome almost every night sex) . It strikes me as odd how there is such a discrepancy for me. I wonder if this could be just how I am, but i've also wondered if it's due to a hormonal imbalance that i could treat w/ a bit of bioidentical stuff (i.e.: progesterone cream). Has anyone heard of something like this before and if it's part of a hormonal imbalance? I wonder because i do have a mild hormonal problem (non classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia)- leading to mild PCOS symptoms, and testosterone around double what most women make. Also, I chart my cycles, and the second half of my cycle or luteal phase (low sex drive time) is consistently around 11 days, once in a while 10 or 12. For most women it should be 14. Other than a short luteal phase they are pretty regular.

I've had my progesterone drawn during this middle of this time, and it's on the low end of normal. I have wondered in the back of my mind if a progesterone deficiency can cause no sex drive, since maybe at that given time things are a bit off in my body.I have researched and found contradictory things (some say progesterone shuts off a woman's sex drive, some say it is an important component to a woman having healthy libido). I think i've heard that testosterone and estrogen are most important in sex drive (no testosterone deficiency here! not sure about my estrogen, but i don't have symptoms of low estrogen). But I'd love to know if this sounds normal to you (no sex drive at a certain time in your cycle), or given i have some hormonal issues, it could be related? Since i've thought maybe progesterone could be an issue here, i've thought about playing around with progesterone cream, but maybe that wouldn't do anything and maybe this is just how things are and that time is a good time to practice being generous and for my husband to practice understanding, and for both of us to practice connecting doing things other than sexy stuff. Thanks for your knowledge!!!
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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby SeekingChange » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:06 am

I don't have your hormonal answers...and maybe I am way in left field here, but isn't our mind the greatest sex organ? Are you truly not able to get aroused, at all, no matter what you think or what you try? I have those dead times, where it's like I lose all pleasurable sensations in the V. But, that's when we bring in toys and other areas get stimulated and I can still get aroused and even O. It's just a matter of working around things and working with what's available.

Use your mind...instead of telling yourself "this is how I am" and excusing it, start fantasizing about your husband. Read that thread about fantasizing things (not even super 'out there' things) that you may or may not actually want to act out...it's normal and okay. Experiment, try to find other erogenous zones during the time your V might not be feeling it...a well lubed finger, rubbing over the A entry is very sensitive and stimulates those nerves, and I am not talking about any kind of penetration. Have you tried a vibrator on the clitoris at the same time he's using fingers?

On the other side of things...I have learned it's not really an option to use my body and hormones as an excuse. Coming together and staying together sexually is too vital for our marriage, to allow my individual state and preferences to get in the way.
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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby Leah » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:37 am

Sex is not a feeling. It is a discipline. Women's hormones fluctuate quite a bit, and there might be a day or two when the body just doesn't get there. I agree with SC. A lot of it is how one thinks.
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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby FoxluvsBunny » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:59 am

Do you know? Maybe you are right? While there is something probably physiological affecting things that might or might not be “normal”… it’s only really a week, so I shouldn’t complain, and I know that many have it much worse and would kill to be pretty matched to their spouse for like 2 ½ weeks out of a 3.5ish week cycle. Regardless, I think the reason that it’s painful sometimes during that time is because my mind is sometimes thinking about how i'd rather be doing other things or not doing that thing and sometimes it's hard to get past that mental block even when DH asks for something. Maybe it is a mind issue, not so much a body issue. Maybe most people go through ebbs and flows and it’s how you handle them, and maybe I need to get to a place where I pray that I can get great pleasure just out of pleasing and being close to my husband even when sex is a low priority for me, and I’d be happy with skipping that week entirely if there wasn’t a Fox who always seems not happy about it (and yes we have totally skipped this week before which i'm trying to not let happen cause it never really goes great. it usually leads to us feeling discontent and short w/ each other and disconnected somehow). Maybe it’s a selfishness issue on my part that is triggered by a physiological phenomenon that seems pretty real. I’m sure it’s hard to get aroused when you are thinking “I’d rather be doing x” while DH is trying to get inside. It never works well. Then it hurts then I tell him to stop, then we both feel not happy. Maybe that time is just a lesson in selflessness and generosity on my part (plus some extra patience on DH’s part). It’s a different and much easier type of generous when you are giving and receiving a gift each other is really craving, than when you don’t really have a need (sometimes it feels like someone holds food in front of me and I feel like I’m not hungry), but you still want to give and get pleasure from that! Something I need to work on, cause it happens every month, and DH pretty much knows we don’t do it much at that time. Probably not great w/ the other issues we are dealing with.
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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby ledgemoor » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:09 am

Here is the go-to chart of everything having to do with sex hormones and symptoms.
http://procompounding.com/wp-content/up ... KEY-je.pdf
I'll leave you to study the details, but as a rule, lack of lubrication during sex is caused by low testosterone, and low estrogens causes general vaginal dryness. So not sure what's going on there. Offhand I would say that the "normal" testosterone range is quite broad, and having double the median would not necessarily be abnormal.

Low progesterone is not good. Progesterone fights cancer. This is a sensitive topic for me since DW got uterine cancer. You want to avoid that at all costs. You won't hurt anything by going to GNC or Amazon.com and getting progesterone cream. Choose a brand that tells you how many mg per teaspoon it contains so you can change brands if you ever need to, plus it's good to know how much you are getting. Around 5% gets absorbed. Follow the directions on the label to get started.

At any rate, your fluctuation in desire sounds normal. Try more cuddling and OS on you beforehand, stay hydrated, and use Astroglide or something. The good news is that for us anyway, DW tended to lubricate more as she aged. As for pain from being too small, having a baby was the best thing that ever happened to us. She no longer gets sore, and amazingly, she feels better to me than before. Meanwhile, you could try a dilator kit for additional stretching beyond what his penis provides. I figured that eventually my wife would stretch out from sex, but no.
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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby The Twit » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:42 pm

Wow! I just looked at that chart and saw that everything my wife has complained about over the past 13 years have either direct ties to low hormones or strong hormonal issues that would lead to a non-existent sexual desire. Yet she is continued to be told she is in the normal range.

Yes there is a mental and there is a physical aspect. If you are told that the hormones are normal and you have absolutely no desire then you start to believe that it is normal to not have desires at a certain point. This belief then leads into a habit of not working to overcome the lack of desire. Which then for sex does affect the production of the needed hormones or other chemicals that keep the hormones moving.

Think of it this way. We know that exercising helps but I do not have the desire to get up and go do what is needed to exercise. I rationalize the cost, the time , and other reasons not to exercise. Yet I know that when I exercise I start a comical reaction in my body to want to exercise more and as I exercise more my body chemistry improves. The improved body chemistry helps me have a more positive attitude and I will start to have more energy and desire to do other things. On the other hand if I do not exercise I continue to drag and not be at my best mentally, physically, or emotionally. It is all tied together so which comes first the lower hormones or the lack of desire, or the not acting to improve.


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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby Unfulfilled » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:54 pm

^^^ that is a good question. Which came first of it is a self fulfilling situation. Also the lack of sex and orgasm also affects the production or in this case lack of production of hormones.

Having sex leads to the desire and increases intensity of orgasm as I have read. This lack of sex would lead to a devolution and leads to less sexual desire.

I would imagine the hormone mental state as you suggest is real as well.

But the result is still the same. You have to start to somewhere and starting with medicine that MAy result in a sexual thought to be sustained would hopefully result in sex and the growth of upward cycle could begin.

I think it is actually harder to start with the mind. Yet this is where my DW is trying to start and ignore the physical hormone aspect.

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Re: Lack of desire related to imbalance of hormone progester

Postby Learning1 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:45 pm

I can't help with hormone questions, either. I can tell you my sex drive varies greatly based on my cycle. I didn't consider it to be a hormone problem just a higher than normal variation in sex drive that occurs in woman.

How we have dealt with the variations is by: DH and I track my cycle and we adjust foreplay times. Sometimes I need very little foreplay and just thinking of sex with DH is enough for arousal, other times we spend a good 30 to 45 minutes and the majority of the time arousal happens. During the low times of the month I try to think daily thoughts of sex and it helps.

Can you change up foreplay routine to find something that arouses you ? May have to experiment. I also second the purchase of dilators. Consistently use them. I use them when DH travels. I find if we go 6 or so more days without PIV than when we are back together and I haven't used the dilators , PIV can be uncomfortable even if I am fully aroused and I end up with sore bits. DH always goes slow and gentle during initial PIV, many times he won't move at all, until I let him know I am ready, comfortable, this gives my body time to stretch out. Perhaps your DH can do the same. Or you could use WOT during these times.

My worst time of the month is day 1 thru 4 of my period, horrid cramps lower back, abs & thighs, sore bits, feeling like I want to barf. We usually abstain from all sex activities during the first 4 days, by day 5 I am not usually up for PIV but a HJ sometimes OS is back on the menu, by day 6 or 7 OS or PIV are usually back on the menu. Like you right before my period is my highest drive times, I could have PIV three or four times day. Kinda crazy.
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Re: Low Progesterone

Postby The Twit » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:57 pm

Side question I have is how much influence does pregnancy and giving birth have on hormones? With us my wife's issues with sex started in the two years between baby 2 and 3. And then after #3 her desire went completely away. We do know that many also are affected when they are on HBC. So how much is not really known about hormones in both men and women? We see on the men's side so much talk about low T yet doctors and those in the scientific community disagree and I see that information is varied and contradictory. So the whole Low Progesterone can be an issue and should be looked at maybe to help kick start .

My DW and I do know of a couple female friends who had Lyme's dis ease and one part of the treatment for both was adding small doses of testosterone to they therapy and both told us that that made a huge improvement in their lives and made their husbands happy. So I do see that changes in hormones or lack of them do affect a person. So there may be time to change the diet or a time to supplement the diet.



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