Living together in same house before marriage

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Postby IRiseManyTimes » Thu May 08, 2008 1:18 pm

cjc19 wrote:My fiance and I are considering living together. We have dated for 3 years and been engaged since last November 2007. We are getting married in February 2009. In our current situation we are having financial difficulties, that would be somewhat alleviated by living together (as the cost of rent will be cheaper as well as alleviating the cost and time of commuting between each house each night).

We have not lived together previously nor had sex before marriage, nor do we intend to.

If we do decide to live together we will have separate rooms and definately not sleep together. We are also considering even having a third christian person live with us - this will further act to keep us accountable (ie. a three bedroom share house basically).

We wanted to see what the general opinion is in regards to this? We can not see anything wrong with living in the same house together as long as we act the same as we do now, it is only that the distance between our bedrooms will be closer! Our only concern is not to 'cause our brother to sin' (other christians) and that it may look like we are sleeping together, even if we are not.

We are of the opinion that it is better two persons living with each other and not sleeping together versus two persons living apart but sleeping together. However, in the above situation the first person would be judged more even though the second person is the one sinning (but not being judged).

What do people think about this issue? Is it okay to live together in these circumstances? Your help would be greatly appreciated. :D


You definately have good intentions. Also, the idea of getting a 3rd person is great.

I think it will be fun in the house. So long as everyone has separate rooms, i think its OK.
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Postby jsharmaine » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:53 pm

I don't see anything wrong with living together before marriage. You don't have to have sex or anything like that. Sleep in separate rooms. Frankly, I would rather live with the person before I got married to see how they live and react to situations, rather than regret it later. But that's just my opinion....
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Postby YesIReallyLoveMyWife » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:22 pm

cjc19 wrote:After reading everyone's posts and considering our options we have decided that it would be best not to live together before marriage.

This is not due to the reason that it would be tempting as we believe it would not be in our situation. Also, we do not believe it to be wrong to live together before marriage (as long as there is no sexual activity).

However, we will not do so on the basis that:
- it would look bad and may hurt our reputations
- it may hurt reputations of others around us (eg. friends and family) whose friends might not have the same understanding of the situation
- it may be a bad christian witness
- we should not tempt others in our situation to live together, who may be more weak in the flesh then us, and may be tempted by such situations
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I believe you are making a very wise decision for exactly these reasons.
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Postby cjc19 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:15 pm

Thanks for your additional posts.

To update on what I have done since my last post:

Have finally found a place (2 days ago) to live in from August. The landlord will allow both my fiance and I to sign the lease but allow another person to live there instead of my fiance from August until Feb 2009, which is really good. The landlord is also a Christian couple which is an extra benefit.

My fiance can then move in from February while I will have another person to subsidize the rent amount until then. I can set up our house properly before marriage and not have to worry about finding another place immediately before marriage which is good.

Only have to find a person now willing to live with me for 7 months and then willing to get kicked out in February!

Thanks for all your advice, it was extremely hard to find a place given our situation but eventually paid off, thanks to God :)
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Postby Romeo_Juliet379 » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:40 am

Just make sure you get them kicked out in time!

Newlyweds who have room mates quickly scar their room mates for life! :shock:




But seriously, that is great news about the apartment. And I think you are doing the right thing this way.
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Postby ILoveJesus » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:50 pm

cjc19 wrote:After reading everyone's posts and considering our options we have decided that it would be best not to live together before marriage.

This is not due to the reason that it would be tempting as we believe it would not be in our situation. Also, we do not believe it to be wrong to live together before marriage (as long as there is no sexual activity).

However, we will not do so on the basis that:
- it would look bad and may hurt our reputations
- it may hurt reputations of others around us (eg. friends and family) whose friends might not have the same understanding of the situation
- it may be a bad christian witness
- we should not tempt others in our situation to live together, who may be more weak in the flesh then us, and may be tempted by such situations

Also, even though closer friends would know that we are not having sex living in the same apartment, other friends might automatically assume that we are having sex.

I am of the opinion that it is easy to fall in to temptation and sin no matter what your situation, whether you are living apart, living in a residential college, living in a share house, living with parents or living with your partner. If you can avoid temptation when living apart (as blueeyes said), you can avoid temptation living together just as easily. If you are determined that you will not have sex before marriage it should not matter your situation. You should not need others around you to 'keep you in line'. It should be a conscious choice of the heart and be consistent (not have sex) whether there are people around you or not. If you only act properly when others are around I would question whether it is a choice of the heart to not engage in sex before marriage or an outward 'not trying to sully reputation and maintain the high ground among other christians'.

I do not think that people should automatically judge others, however, that live together by automatically assuming they are sleeping together. It is sad that christians do this without seeking out the facts. I note a person I knew at church who was judging a couple for living together but who actively engaged in sleeping with his girlfriend who he did not live with. This is hypocrisy in my opinion.

I would not feel guilty about living together for the sake of living together. However, I would feel guilty for allowing others to think we were sleeping together or to cause others to sin.

I also understand others may be additionally more tempted by living together before marriage, in addition to concerns like ours such as reputation and tempting others into sin. In our situation we would not be more tempted, but others may well be so. Such persons are probably those who obviously can control themselves when others around but not in private when alone with their partner. So avoiding living alone together or avoiding extended moments of alone time may be suitable for such couples.

However, I beleive that one who is determined not to have sex before marriage should be able to control themselves whether in public or in private. If it is a genuine belief, and not just looking 'christian' and 'righteous' in front of others, then such a belief should play itself out in private when there is just you, your partner and GOD (who is there at every moment). You should not need others around to keep you under control, all that should be needed is the fear of God.

Postscript: I would be concerned even if one were not tempted and even if it would not tempt others that obedience to parents should be maintained (except where it conflicts with God's will). Thus, if one or both parents are concerned about you living together you should not do so. This is especially if your parents are not christian as you should provide a good witness to them and not a conflicting witness of hypocrisy.

On a personal note, I have decided that the suggestion to set up an apartment for both of us to live in after marriage would be a good idea, but for only me to move in there before marriage (probably with another christian male). My fiance could then move in after marriage, but keep most of her non-essential and shared property at the apartment I use in the meantime.

Although this is not 100% efficient option (i.e. each moving once only to a shared apartment) it does reduce my moves to 1 instead of 2 (although her amount of moves would still be the same) if we were to have both moved into separate apartments and then moved into a different marriage apartment (where 2 moves each).


I believe that it is possible to live together in the same house before marriage and not have sex, but people will automatically assume you are. I believe there are some people who have a valid reason for living in the same house whether it is financial or some other big situation, but as long as they don't have sex, I believe it is ok. But there is a quote in the Bible about eating meat causing your brother to sin, so living together, if circumstances come, should be a last resort.

I do agree people should not be so judgemental, and should seek out the facts before assuming people are sleeping together. It is quite wicked to say a couple is sleeping together when they are not and they have a valid reason for living in the same house. But we do need to admit that there are people who live together to see if they are 'compatible.' In those situations that is sinful and you would have to question whether the person truly loves her/his partner for who he/she is, because to question compatibility raises a red flag.

I think you made a smart decision, since you pulled out other options first and were able to act on those.

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Postby Beloved Rose » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:56 pm

Romeo_Juliet379 wrote:Newlyweds who have room mates quickly scar their room mates for life! :shock:


This is so true!! :lol: We have been married for just over 2 months and moved to a new city just after our wedding and have been looking for jobs an apartment while hubby goes to school. A very generous single male friend of ours has let us stay at his apartment but I'm afraid we've scarred him for life...despite our best efforts to be discrete and confine any merry-making to the bedroom (and quietly...as much as possible).

Thankfully said friend has been gracious and doesn't comment on anything. The poor guy though...I can only imagine. :shock:

(P.S. On a good note...I finally found a job today and we were able to put down a deposit on our own place that we can move into next month- boy am I happy about that!!!)
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Postby Gorgeous » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:43 pm

I didn't read through all the other posts....but still here are my thoughts:

1. A third person would be great! I see no problem with this arrangement. DH and I spent LOADS of alone time together before we were married, and even slept in the same bed many a night before the wedding night, and we did not have sex before we were married. So, I say...if you have handled alone times okay before...arrange seperate bedrooms, get a roommate...and before you know it February will be here and you can kick that third person out. :P

2....I didn't really have a two...

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Postby Lancelot's Bride » Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:07 pm

I know this is a moot subject as the gentleman who started this thread has taken sage advice from this board and resolved the living situation, however ....

This is nearly identical situation that happened to my husband and I during our engagement. The financial pressure wasn't there as my husband owned a lovely home prior to us meeting but my lease expired and it was going to be a hassle for me to move into/find a place for 5 months. I moved all my worldly goods into his home. I slept in another bedroom. Things were fine ... make out sessions on the couch but went to our separate rooms. I'd started on the pill.

Make out sessions getting hotter and heavier as hormones raged and wedding date approached. I suggested that we go ahead and have IC since the risk of pregnancy was gone and we were only a couple of months from wedding. Gotta love my man's response ... "God would know. We would know. Why do something now that would displease God when in a relatively short period of time we will do the exact same thing and bring God joy?" I took my clothes and toiletries and stayed at a friend's until the wedding.

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Postby Stassie » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:02 am

Lancelot's Bride wrote:Make out sessions getting hotter and heavier as hormones raged and wedding date approached. I suggested that we go ahead and have IC since the risk of pregnancy was gone and we were only a couple of months from wedding. Gotta love my man's response ... "God would know. We would know. Why do something now that would displease God when in a relatively short period of time we will do the exact same thing and bring God joy?" I took my clothes and toiletries and stayed at a friend's until the wedding.


What a wonderful man... and good on you both for doing the right thing.
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Postby curlylocks » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:47 pm

I was just wondering-- since your fiance is of Korean heritage and Asian parents tend to be rather traditional, why doesn't she just move back in with them for the time being? I'm Indian so as far as the traditional part, it's not too far off. I also moved back in with my parents as well. Granted it SUCKED but it just makes you persevere with working hard to get married sooner.
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Postby foundtheone » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:24 am

Hi, I know u've obviously made ur decision now but i dont see anything wrong with living together. We personally waited till after wedding and felt more special like something new, but we stayed apart mainly to save money by living at home with parents so could get nice deposit for house when married!

I don't see why living together you'd be any more tempted than usual, and i dont see anything wrong with sharing beds, its nice to have that closeness and feel together without actually having sex, otherwise its a bit like you're a thirteen yr old on a first date.

As to this comment : By the way...are you guys actually attracted to each other? I mean, I admire your constraint, but I'd be worried about the future sex lives of a couple who can share a bed without a problem.[/quote]

How ridiculous! I'd worry about a marriage which is based purely on physical attraction and sex! I once had a guy at uni say to me, 'how do u expect me to sleep in the same bed as you and not have sex?!' which sounds worringly like the comment above. I was appalled obviously and never saw him again, he was basically saying i was ok to use for sex, but didn't wanna hold me all night, just please himself!! How could you be married to someone like that?!?!
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Postby ILoveJesus » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:50 pm

foundtheone wrote:Hi, I know u've obviously made ur decision now but i dont see anything wrong with living together. We personally waited till after wedding and felt more special like something new, but we stayed apart mainly to save money by living at home with parents so could get nice deposit for house when married!

I don't see why living together you'd be any more tempted than usual, and i dont see anything wrong with sharing beds, its nice to have that closeness and feel together without actually having sex, otherwise its a bit like you're a thirteen yr old on a first date.

As to this comment : By the way...are you guys actually attracted to each other? I mean, I admire your constraint, but I'd be worried about the future sex lives of a couple who can share a bed without a problem.


How ridiculous! I'd worry about a marriage which is based purely on physical attraction and sex! I once had a guy at uni say to me, 'how do u expect me to sleep in the same bed as you and not have sex?!' which sounds worringly like the comment above. I was appalled obviously and never saw him again, he was basically saying i was ok to use for sex, but didn't wanna hold me all night, just please himself!! How could you be married to someone like that?!?!


I agree with you. I don't think it is the living together that is the sin, it is sex before marriage that is sin. Before my wedding day, I lived with my fiancee because my parents were super abusive and it was best to get out of that environment. But my pastors knew, everyone we knew, knew we lived in the same apartment (The pastor told us though to sleep in different rooms). But we were able to restrain ourselves till the wedding night. We didn't sleep in the same bed, we slept on different ends of the apartment an showed minimal affection, such as hugs and light kisses. We made it, and now we are happily married.

I think prejudging is really dangerous, and not everyone lives together because of the sinful 'compatibility' test. We absolutely did not have that intention at all, we knew we were together because God brought us together and we did not have the in tention to have sex before marriage.
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Re: Living together in same house before marriage

Postby Drew's Girl » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:24 pm

cjc19 wrote:My fiance and I are considering living together. We have dated for 3 years and been engaged since last November 2007. We are getting married in February 2009. In our current situation we are having financial difficulties, that would be somewhat alleviated by living together (as the cost of rent will be cheaper as well as alleviating the cost and time of commuting between each house each night).

We have not lived together previously nor had sex before marriage, nor do we intend to.

If we do decide to live together we will have separate rooms and definately not sleep together. We are also considering even having a third christian person live with us - this will further act to keep us accountable (ie. a three bedroom share house basically).

We wanted to see what the general opinion is in regards to this? We can not see anything wrong with living in the same house together as long as we act the same as we do now, it is only that the distance between our bedrooms will be closer! Our only concern is not to 'cause our brother to sin' (other christians) and that it may look like we are sleeping together, even if we are not.

We are of the opinion that it is better two persons living with each other and not sleeping together versus two persons living apart but sleeping together. However, in the above situation the first person would be judged more even though the second person is the one sinning (but not being judged).

What do people think about this issue? Is it okay to live together in these circumstances? Your help would be greatly appreciated. :D


I would not recommend an engaged couple to live together before marriage. I think there are other ways to get around the money issues. I just think living together would be a very hard temptation to deal with (and it should be since you are getting married). Could either one of you live with someone from your church or work or family until marriage? Move up the wedding date?
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Postby Achinoam » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:34 pm

The OP has probably long gone and won't read this anymore, but I thought I might throw this thought out for anybody in a similar situation:

Think ahead of the time when you will talk about your wedding and premarriage days and the practicalities thereof with your future children, when they are in a similar situation with regards to housing before/after marriage. They might not be as conscientious and self-controlled and fall into sin while living together with their spouse to be, thinking that if their parents lived together before marriage, why should they not be able to do the same thing....

Just a thought.

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Postby blueeyes » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:51 pm

It's been awhile but I'd like to reply to Achinoam.

We lived together for about a year before we married. We had separate bedrooms and waited until our wedding night for sex.

When it comes time to talk to my children about that period in my life I will be honest with them.
My mother was not honest with me. She berated me for living with my dh beforehand even though she knew I wasn't having sex. I was 23 years old, had been living on my own since I was 19 and was a very responsible good girl (no drugs, no drinking, no smoking, no sex) all throughout high school and college. She had no reason to believe that I was lying or that I made this decision flippantly. She caused me undo grief.

Then I found out after I was married that she had lived with my father beforehand (and supposedly wasn't a good girl).
I was so angry and hurt. I thought she was the biggest hypocrite on the planet. I carried that anger for years before finally confronting her and making restitution.

Anyway, so hopefully, I will raise my children to be able to discern right from wrong at a young age. If my child is responsible and good like I was, then I will not judge him/her they way I was. I will be honest with them and explain why or why not living together is a good idea and i will use examples from my personal experiences.
I think if i could do it over I wouldn't live with my dh until we were engaged. Moving in together well before the engagement caused a strain on our relationship because it made me more anxious for a ring than I probably would have been were we not sharing an apartment. That was more of an issue with us than any sexual temptation.
Every situation is different, and if my child decides to co-habitate I will try to understand their circumstances and help them make a good decision. But in the end I will hopefully understand they are adults and not judge.
And if they are doing wrong in God's eyes,(sexually, etc) I will show them how it is wrong and how they were raised to know better. But then I will pray for them. Fervently!!!!!!!
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Re: Living together in same house before marriage

Postby cjc19 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:25 am

curlylocks wrote:I was just wondering-- since your fiance is of Korean heritage and Asian parents tend to be rather traditional, why doesn't she just move back in with them for the time being? I'm Indian so as far as the traditional part, it's not too far off. I also moved back in with my parents as well. Granted it SUCKED but it just makes you persevere with working hard to get married sooner.


Hi Curlylocks, I was trying to clear my inbox deleting old emails and remembered and had a reread through this forum. Sorry for the very very late reply. The answer to your suggestion was that my Korean in-laws do not live in the same city that my-then-fiance and I live in and work in.

Generally an update, we married in Feb 09 finally and have been married hapilly since :) I found a female housemate from Columbia to live with me between August and December (who turned out to be christian as well!), then lived by myself for 6 weeks, before my wife moved in.

Hope everything is going well with everyone. Some advice post-wedding would be not to have too long engagements, as it juts extends the stress of organising the wedding. At the same time, some people I know have gotten married too quickly after they met (eg. meet, engaged and married within 5 months). While this is sometimes okay, I see a number of these couples still trying to sort out and grapple with emotional and attachment issues well into their marriage which we sorted out well before we got married, making marriage life and living together a much easier transition.

Cheers and god bless!
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